Serial Podcast Dialogue for Episodes 1-6 #phsCONlit

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NOTE: If you are here from somewhere other than Mrs. Morgenson’s Contemporary Literature and Writing class, know that the comments after this post have spoilers for Episodes 1-6 of the Serial podcast.

Hello #phsCONlit students,

This blog post is for you. Here is where we will have a dialogue about the Season 1 Serial Podcast. By the time you post any ideas here, you should have listened to at least the first SIX episodes of the podcast AND completed the examination of evidence presented in Episode Six.

At this point, what is your stance on this case? Was Adnan faultily convicted or is he where he needs to be (in jail)? (Explain your position.)

Remember that in the United States, in a court of law, to be found guilty a jury must find the accused guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In other words, they are not supposed to convict based on a hunch, their feelings, their own experiences or anything else other than the facts presented at trial. (Does this always happen? No. Of course not. Any time human beings are involved in decision-making, there is room for personal judgement/baggage/opinions/experience to influence a decision. That’s why there are 12 people assigned to a jury. The hope is that they will balance each other out somehow. That’s also why there is a jury selection process–so anyone with obvious biases will be “weeded out” of the jury pool.) So, when you are answering the above question think about the following options …

  • You believe Adnan is probably guilty, but you don’t think there is enough evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt.
  • You believe Adnan is guilty, and there is enough evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt.
  • You believe that Adnan was involved in Hae’s murder somehow, but he probably didn’t kill her.
  • You believe that Adnan is innocent and deserves to be set free.
  • Another option that I’m not thinking of right now …?
  • Bonus: If you believe Adnan is innocent, who do you think killed Hae?

I also want you to consider how Sarah Koenig presented the evidence. Do you believe she is biased in her reporting, or is she balanced? Do you believe her opinion is evident, or does she have a good “poker face” or in this case, “poker voice”? Does her presentation of the evidence affect your opinion regarding Adnan’s guilt or innocence?

Respond in the comments below BEFORE you read your classmates’ responses.

Once you’ve posted, read through your classmates’ comments and respond to their comments–particularly those you disagree with. (Keep it civil!) Extend one another’s thinking in this matter. Try to convince each other that your stance is the right stance. Work on persuading one another to sway each other to your point of view. If someone legitimately sways your opinion, say so and say why. Everyone needs to interact with other commenters.

ASSIGNMENT:

  1. Answer the question posed above (before reading your classmates’ comments).
  2. After you have posted your comment, respond to at least FIVE other commenters with reasons why you agree or disagree with their stances. (The most interesting dialogue most likely will come from the people with whom you disagree.)
  3. If someone responds to your original comment, you should reply back to that commenter to further extend the dialogue until it comes to a satisfying close.
  4. Review the section ofย  THIS POST about posting quality comments (scroll down), if you need a refresher on what that entails.
  5. You will be graded on the quantity of your comments (at least 5), the quality of your comments (see #4, if you need a refresher), and the responsiveness you demonstrate to fellow commenters (including me. I will jump in and play devil’s advocate from time to time, if I see the conversation getting stale).

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144 thoughts on Serial Podcast Dialogue for Episodes 1-6 #phsCONlit

  1. At this point I think that Adnan is guilty but maybe not the only one. But with all the evidence and statements that don’t add up I don’t think they had enough evidence to rightfully convict Adnan for the murder. Because Jays story doesn’t add up I feel he is trying to cover himself up. Also with all the phone calls from Adnans phone to numerous people I think it plays a big role in the case. I do think the whole case has a lot of flaws and missing pieces which makes it hard to come to a set conclusion.

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    1. I agree. I don’t think there is enough evidence to convict him fully, but I do think he is guilty. I think he maybe should of had a longer trial and longer investigation before just arresting him.

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      1. I agree with you. If you don’t think Adnan did it who do you think did it? Do you think the jury just wanted to get the case over with and not look at all the evidence?

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        1. I think Jay is a big suspect in my opinion. He was so eager to rat out Adnan that I think it makes him look suspicious.

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    2. I think that you could be right. Perhaps Adnan did do it, with help. Jay is a rather shady character. Who else do you think is involved?

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      1. Besides Jay I’m not sure who else could be involved. Jay seems to be the only who knows what went on that day other than Adnan.

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    3. I like what you said about Adnan not being the only guilty one. That’s something I didn’t really think if before. That’s extremely possible, especially. With all these contradicting yet similar stories.

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    4. Yes I agree that there were a lot of flaws in the case and a ton of missing pieces. I’m kind of thinking the same thing with another person being involved.

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  2. I believe that Adnan is probably guilty but they don’t have enough evidence to actually convict him. They have Jay who is completely admitting that his best friend, Adnan, did it but his stories are not always right and he changes his answer a few times so he isn’t very trustworthy. They talk to several people throughout these episodes who say they were acting a bit suspicious that day. They also know when phone calls were received and when they made calls from Adnans phone and sometimes Jay and Adnan lie about where they were during that call because the call pinged a tower that they were not by. I do have a hunch that Adnan is guilty just because he lies about things and has his stories all messed up but there isn’t enough evidence to put him in jail.

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    1. I think he did it too, I don’t think there is enough to his story for him to be innocent. It’s crazy how they basically proved adnan guilty almost all because of jays story. If jay wouldn’t of said his story, he wouldn’t of been in jail right now. Jay kind of was the backbone of putting adnan in jail.

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    2. I can see how you can see that but I believe that Adnan was wrongly convicted.

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    3. One weird thing is that Jay and Adnan were NOT best friends. They were pot-smoking buddies. The were acquaintances more than friends. This makes me question motive … mostly Jay’s, but Adnan’s too. If Jay and Adnan weren’t really friends, why would Adnan turn to Jay for help in covering up this very serious crime? Why would Jay agree to help? Everything about this case is hinky …

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  3. In my opinion, I believe adnan is guilty, personally. I don’t think jay could make up such an almost exact story and how there is other people saying incriminating things about him. It’s hard to believe he is innocent because there isn’t enough evidence for his story to prove his innocence.

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    1. I agree that Adnan was involved, but I think the dynamic of the whole situation could be different than we think. I think Jay may have been just as involved in the murder as Adnan.

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    2. It is odd that Jay could’ve came up with such an ills orate story, but that could possibly be because he had more to do with it than he admits? Maybe everything is true except for who actually murdered Hae?

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    3. I agree on the fact he is most likely guilty. But I think with all the inconsistencies in Jays statement about Adnan that he should have been looked at closer as a suspect.

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    4. I think the same thing about Jay! How could he rat out his friend like this?! It didn’t even seem to phase him one bit to give the cops every little detail about everything which really bugged me from the beginning.

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    5. Yes, i see where you are getting at. How can he make something up and remember every detail about it. So I feel like maybe what hes saying is true.

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    6. In a court of law though, the defendant does not have to prove his innocence. The prosecution has the burden of proving one’s guilt. Do you think the prosecution has enough evidence to prove Adnan is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? (I realize we weren’t there in the courtroom and so we don’t really know the answer to that question–but based on what we know from the podcast, what do you think?)

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      1. I don’t think they had enough to prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. After listening to all of the evidence and stories against Adnan, I can only say there are some odd things but nothing to sentence a man to life in prison.

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  4. At this point I’m not completely convinced that Adnan should be in jail. yes, they have some leads, but they don’t have any hard evidence. I think he was wrongly convicted, mostly because there were tons of things they failed to look into. Ihe last few episodes have me thing Adnan may be guilty more than I thought before, but I still believe they needed more evidence. The things that made me start to question Adnans innocence were his finger prints in the map, his phone calls to Hae the night before she disappeared, and also the weird thing he wrote on the note to a friend, “I’m going to kill.” Although these things are extremely odd, they don’t prove anything. I think there’s a lot of sketchy things about Jay and some other witnesses, so maybe Adnan was framed, who knows.

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    1. The note with “I’m going to kill,” is super weird. Adnan seems to have done so many things that seem guilty, or could be pure coincidence. You’re totally right though. There is not enough solid evidence to make a conviction.

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      1. I found it odd that the girl who read the notes between her and Adnan said she hadn’t seen the “I’m going to kill” before. That seems very suspicious and could have been planted.

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    2. I totally agree with what you said. There is definelty not enough evidence to convict him, and all the things he did yeah they are kind of weird but they aren’t enough to have him be in jail.

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    3. The note that he said he was going to kill her was kind of what set me off. From then on my mind was made up that I thought he was guilty. The phone calls were fishy and his lack of effort to contact her after the murder was crazy too. If they were supposedly so close, why didn’t he try to call to make sure everything was okay once she was missing for a while?

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    4. I definitely agree that there wasn’t enough evidence for him to be thrown in jail. I think if anything he shouldn’t be the only one in jail. But with this happening so long ago it’s even harder to sort through all the evidence and talk to people that were involved 15 years ago.

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    5. I agree with this. I do not think there was enough evidence to convict someone of murder. To convict someone of murder and put the. In jail the rest of their lives I think their should be a lot more evidence.

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    6. Maybe Jay framed Adnan because he was helping out who may of actually killed Hae. And everything else was just a coincidence for Adnan to look bad.

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    7. Have you ever said something like “I’m going to kill you” to someone–either in anger (in the heat of the moment–but not meaning it literally) OR as a joke?

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  5. I don’t think there was nearly enough evidence for the jury to fairly convict Adnan. However, the evidence presented in the most recent episode has caused me to lean toward Adnan being involved in the murder in some way, whether he was the one who killed her, or Jay was, or some third party we aren’t aware of. Though I do think there’s a chance he could be guilty, I can’t be sure, because the physical evidence simply isn’t there, so I don’t believe he should’ve been thrown in prison.

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    1. I agree. He probably shouldn’t be in jail right now but I do think he either did it or was involved. There’s no way he wasn’t. There’s to much evidence against him to say he was innocent.

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    2. I think it’s hard to come up with physical evidence especially is 1999. The fingerprints left on the map might have swayed someone’s decision to decide he’s guilty but there was no way of proving when those fingerprints got there. So for when this took place I agree there wasn’t enough physical evidence to convict him.

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    3. I said the exact same thing! The last episode is what really got me! Being put in prison for 15 years without any physical evidence is just wrong. Yes, Adnans story is a little odd, but so is everyone else’s.

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    4. In your opinion, what motive would Jay have for murdering Hae? What motive would Adnan have for murdering Hae? What possible motive would a stranger (or third party, who knew her) have for killing her? What are the usual motives for one person to kill another? Out of these motives, which is most likely?

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  6. In my honest opinion I believe Adnan may have had a part in the murder, but he didn’t kill Haye. I believe that Jay has a major part. Jay had a story, but it didn’t all match up, you’d think that a day someone was killed you’d remember everything. Their was little time for Adnan to kill her after school and go other places, yet Jay was never asked what he did directly after the school got out, he only told what Adnan and him self did. If anything Jay had the time to kill before anyone else did.

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    1. I’ve thought about Jay being the murderer too, but the thing that makes me doubt that theory is the fact that Adnan didn’t try to reveal Jay’s guilt in order to prove his own innocence. If Jay threw Adnan under the bus for a murder he didn’t do, wouldn’t Adnan argue right back and try to claim that Jay did it? Why would Jay rat out Adnan but not the other way around?

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      1. That is a totally solid point. I had thought about Jay being guilty, but you’re right. Surely if Jay played a major role, Adnan would have come out and said it.

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    2. But adnan saying he didn’t remember anything was his tactic to not being guilty. He’s not just going to come out and say, “yep I was at best buy parking lot at this time with hae in the trunk of the car” he’s going to cover up his story as much as he can. I think jay is a good resource for that information but adnan shouldn’t of been thrown in jail because of what jay said.

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      1. But I don’t think Adnan would have used “I have no idea about any of this” as a method of proving his innocence if he had witnessed Jay perform a murder. I believe he would’ve gone straight to “No, I didn’t kill her, I know Jay did it” rather than “I don’t know what you’re talking about”

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    3. I believe this is true. I also think that adnan may have had AARP in the murder. It I think most of it was jay. His story did not match up and he changed it many times.

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    4. I agree that this was one of the strangest pieces of evidence–Adnan’s supposed lack of memory of that day. It seemed like that day should’ve been significant to him. However, maybe that day wasn’t significant to him because it was just a normal day–because he had no idea that Hae was dead at the time. The fact that the police contacted him on that day, should make that day significant though. Then again, Adnan was a regular pot-smoker too. Pot can have an effect on memory. All these things are things to consider.

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  7. I am totally unsure about who did it. There is so much circumstantial evidence. Basically all of the points presented that aided in convicting Adnan could be applied to either side. Adnan could have done it or he could be totally innocent. The palm print could be evidence of murder or it could be from when they dated. Adnan not calling Hae after her disappearance could be normal or proof of guilt. Everything is so unsure. Either way, I don’t think that their was enough solid evidence for conviction. Enough doubt was stirred during trial that the conviction seems faulty.

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    1. I agree with you. I don’t like how the only evidence they are going off of is Jay, who is a totally unreliable source, and then objects he touched that could easily have been from the time of their relationship.

      This case is stressful. ๐Ÿ™

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      1. The unfortunate thing is that I’m not sure we will ever get a solid answer. Everything presented is so malleable and wishy-washy. Who knows how things will turn out.

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    2. I completely agree! I think that Adnan could have had more to do with the crime than he admits, but none of the evidence proves anything! Every story is similar but clashing, it’s hard to say who’s story is fishy, because they all have their flaws.

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      1. Absolutely! Every story has about a million sides to be analyzed. Unfortunately for Adnan, it seems like they only presented the one that showed possible guilt during trial.

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    3. I never thought to look at each evidence from both sides. A lot of it could be seen as proof of guilt or also something totally normal that wouldn’t be looked at twice if Hae hadn’t disappeared. With all this evidence being so two sided which one are you leaning towards?

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      1. I think that Adnan had something to do with it. The way certain things add up, it seems impossible that he is totally innocent. That being said, I’m don’t think that he flat out killed Hae.

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        1. What motive would Adnan have had for helping with Hae’s murder (or helping to cover it up)? At this point, wouldn’t he have confessed and ratted out whoever was responsible? It doesn’t seem likely that Adnan would be willing to take the fall for this without implicating the real murderer or his accomplice. I’m not sure if Adnan is guilty or innocent, but I do think he’s all or nothing. I don’t think he’d play a part in a murder and then keep quiet about other people’s involvement in it. It goes against the grain of human nature. Then again, there are always exceptions to the rule.

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          1. I totally see your point. This whole thing is impossible to decipher. Adnan just seems shady to me. Maybe he asked Jay to kill Hae for him or maybe not. Some of the things that matched up seem to be more than coincidence.

    4. I agree with all of this. I think at this point it is hard to know who did it fir sure. I think they need a lot more evidence to convict anyone.

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      1. Nearly everything presented was circumstantial evidence. The prosecution certainly didn’t meet their burden of proof. There was too much doubt to make a conviction.

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    5. I absolutely agree with you. There is always some kind of counter argument to any piece of evidence. For example, some people think Adnan may be guilty because he doesn’t remember what exactly happened that day. Seriously? I can’t even remember what I had for breakfast a week ago, let alone a detailed summery of my whole day. Even if something significant happened that day, I still probably wouldn’t be able to recall everything.

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      1. The human memory is constantly tripping up and failing. When you do the same thing day after day, it tends to all melt together. I agree. Recalling minute by minute a day six weeks ago would be nearly impossible.

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  8. I honestly don’t think that Adnan is guilty. Yeah there is a lot of evidence saying that he is, but then the only evidence is basically Jay saying he was with Adnan and the he constantly talked about killing Hae. But I honestly don’t think that is enough evidence because a lot of Jays story doesn’t match up like the calls being made and all the fingerprints. Also that story about the neighbor boy apparently telling people he was told one thing about a body and then when they talked to him later he had never heard anything or talked to anyone about it. I just don’t think they have enough solid evidence to actually convict Adnan of Hae’s murder.

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    1. I agree that there’s definitely not enough evidence to convict Adnan, but I do think he had some part in Hae’s murder.

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    2. I agree there is not one piece of strong evidence to convince me he is responsible for Hae’s murder. Although I think him being around that day and acting strange definitely links him to it somehow. Whether he killed her or not he was somehow involved in the series of events that happened the day of Hae’s disappearance.

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    3. I agree, I do not believe adnan is for sire guilty. Jays story does not always match up and I think he may have had something to do with it.

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    4. I agree with you on this mostly. I do think Adnan is guilty though but they don’t have enough evidence to convict him. All the shady stuff and the little bits of evidence makes me think he is guilty or somehow involved with the murder

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    5. I agree with that. I think Adnan is not guilty and jay most likely assisted with the murder because he constantly talks about how it happened like it was nothing.

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      1. I think they convicted him because they didn’t have any other person to blame. They had all this evidence and no one to pin it on and it was just easier to convict Adnan.

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  9. I don’t think Adnan is guilty. He seems like he is very upfront with Sarah and letting her know what happened that day and what he remembers. He seems that he’s very truthful with what he says to her and if he did do it I feel like he would be more nervous around her and not say as much. I feel like Jay or someone that we don’t know did it. He seems very open with what he did with Adnan.

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    1. I’m glad you mentioned his conversations with Sarah, because listening to Adnan on the phone is what gets me every time. I look at the evidence and he seems guilty, but when I hear him speak he seems so genuine, so certain of his innocence, and that’s what mostly keeps me unsure about the case altogether.

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    2. I do think adnan is very upfront about everything and I do think if he was guilty he would have confessed to it at court when they offered him a deal. Since he didn’t I think it is more of a pride things he knows he didn’t do it he just needs other people to believe him.

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    3. You’re right he does seem extremely casual when talking about the whole day. Someone who had been in prison for 15 years may have had time to get over it but you’d think after murdering someone you’d have a few more obvious mental issues or something!

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    4. There is a theory floating around the interwebs that Adnan is a sociopath. Does that theory hold weight with you?

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  10. I believe that Adnan is guilty and that he helped in her murder but didn’t do the actual killing himself. But I also think that there is not not enough evidence to convict him. There are to many pieces of evidence that were overlooked and to many conflicting stories that don’t match up.

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    1. I agree with you. I feel like the evidence at trial wasn’t enough to convict him. If you think was there watching the murder but didn’t do it who do you think did it?

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    2. I agree with you with the evidence shown I believe he is guilty but not quit enough evidence to convict him.

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  11. In my opinion I think that adnan is innocent but I believe that he helped with the murder of hae. Because adnan and jay were together all night and during some of the phone call times. I believe jay is guilty because his story is all messed up. I think the timing is off on his events. When he was speaking he acted as if he was trying to figure out what to say, not just say what happened. I don’t think they had enough evidence to convict adnan.

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    1. They don’t have all their ducks in a row to convict only Adnan with this murder, they’ve showed the main reason they did is because he’s the ex who’s mad at her for breaking up, I agree with you.

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    2. I also believe there isn’t enough evidence to convict Adnan but I do believe that he is guilty. I also agree that Jay is involved in the murder his story is very sketchy and he seems unsure of what to say.

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    3. I agree with that. It does make it a little suspicious that jay and Adnan were together the night of her murder and Jay does talk about how he helped with the murder in great detail.

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    4. I’m thinking the same savannah. For me it’s actually so hard to think what’s the truth and what’s not. At some points I think he is guilty and others I think he’s not. Do you think him and jay are in this together? Or is it just one killer?

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  12. In my opinion I think adnan is not guilty. I think he may have helped a little bit about the murder and he may have know something’s about it. I think Jay was the one who commutes the murder his story doesn’t add up

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    1. The only reason I don’t think Jay did it is because if he did, I think Adnan would have ratted him out. Adnan never had a story about Jay being the one who killed Hae.

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      1. What if Adnan just doesn’t know at all? He could not be involved and maybe he thinks a stranger did it etc. It is strange that Adnan never says who he thinks did it, however.

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      2. I do believe Adnan is guilty but not enough evidence to convict him. I also believe that Jay is involved in the murder but I don’t know if he is the one who actually did the murder.

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    2. I don’t think Jay committed the murder. I believe he had a big part in murdering Hae, but it wasn’t all him. For some reason I have this weird hunch that there was a third person involved. A friend of Jay that he could’ve left out of his confession to protect.

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  13. I don’t know wether he would be incident or guilty because during the podcast it makes it look likes he’s back and forth from guilty to incident for example at the best buy episode it looked like It would be impossible to do it and later they prove that it’s possible to kill her in that amount of time but almost impossible.

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    1. The podcast really leaves room for both sides. Adnan’s case seemed to be rather one-sided though. Only the four cell tower pings that helped the prosecution were brought to court. The palm print, that could totally be evidence of only their past relationship, was a sign of guilt. Everything is too uncertain at this point to form any concrete opinions.

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    2. Does this show that Sarah Koenig’s reporting is balanced? Or does it just show that there is not enough clear evidence to piece together the murder? If it is the second option–should Adnan be in jail right now?

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    3. Me and you said about the same thing Luke! It’s hard to decide what’s the truth and what’s not. I’m hoping it clears up before the final episode. Are you still thinking him and jay are together on this?

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  14. I believe Adnan is innocent.

    Jay knows quite a hefty amount of information and that in itself is weird. It’s hard to believe that he’s being honest when a) he admits to lying to the cops after his questioning b) he was given a deal if he spoke to Adnan’s guilt.

    Why is that a big deal to me? When being questioned by any member of the law, it is common sense as much as it is the LAW to tell the truth. Anyone who admits to lying about a recorded conversation should automatically be removed from evidence against a person.

    Imagine you were about to go to jail for a crime you may have committed or been an accomplice to. You’re sitting in a very dreary room with a couple detectives, or what-have-you, when they say, “If you rat your friend out, you can have a shortened sentence or not go to jail at all.” Wow! What a deal! You would fabricate the truth, wouldn’t you? Think about it. Jay is concerned about going to jail and his options are either to make someone else look guilty or spend time behind bars.

    Jay certainly has great motive to lie and make Adnan look guilty. No one wants to go to prison.

    I think he did it. His story changes. What he told in his testimony against Adnan is different from what he told in interviews with the police. That’s bad.

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    1. You expressed what I am kind of feeling, but I think that too much of the evidence points to Adnan for him to be completely uninvolved. Jay is shady, no doubt about it. The evidence is shady, no doubt about that either. Yet there is something similarly shady about Adnan.

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    2. You make a lot of good points. Jay definitely has a good motive to lie. He just wants to cover his butt. I’m not totally convinced Adnan is innocent though. He had to have some part in the murder since him and Jay spent the day together.

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    3. Jay’s credibility is not only called into question throughout this podcast, but has been scrutinized in the media post-podcast. If you do a web-search about the podcast, many article about Jay specifically pop up–including an interview he did. It’s pretty interesting. I encourage you to delve into it, if you have the time and interest.

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  15. Right now I really don’t know who killed her, but if I had to lean towards anything, I think he was involved in her death somehow. How the call logs all match up is a big part. Where Jay says they were at the time they buried her, is where the call log says they were. Also at the end of episode 6, he got really mad that Sara said he was a nice guy. He says you don’t even know me and Sara thinks she should know at least a little about him because they had talked on the phone for over 30 hours. It just makes me wonder if there is another side of him Sara isn’t seeing and that may change everyones opinion if they see this side we are questioning.

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    1. Whether guilty or not, I’m not sure that their were enough clues that led to him. Evidence was spun to match what the prosecution wanted. Plus, Adnan’s attorney did a lousy job. He wasn’t represented in the way that he deserved.

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    2. I’m with you a little bit with not knowing for sure who killed her but I’m leaning more towards Adnan being guilty. I also don’t believe that there is enough evidence to convict him. It’s interesting how you said there could be another side to him that we just don’t know about I has never really thought about that but it could be true.

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    3. Adnan does seem to be sharing a (mostly) one-dimensional aspect of himself with Sarah (and her tape recorder). I believe he’s smart enough to know that having the public like him is important to future appeals–whether he’s guilty or not. There have been articles posted theorizing that Adnan is a sociopath too–which would mean he’d be skilled in manipulating people. What do you think about THAT theory?

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      1. That’s a good theory.

        There’s also a theory that Jay and Jenn killed Hae because Hae knew about their relationship and no one was supposed to know.

        This one is almost plausible given the amount of times Jenn is called that day, but who’s to say she and Jay dated?

        There’s a few interesting theories around.

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    4. Me and you definetly think alike! Being right in the middle of the episodes it’s really confusing on what to think and who you think is guilty or not. I really hope it starts to clear up as episodes go on, I’m kind of hoping for a surprise murderer! That’d be interesting.

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  16. I honestly don’t really know. I can see both sides if he is innocent or guilty. When we first started listening I thought he was guilty. But about on the 3rd episode I thought he was innocent. Now I really don’t know. A lot of the things don’t add up. Like it would be hard to carry a body into the back of your car in the middle of the day in a parking lot. But he also did some suspicious things before the murder(ex. Buying a Cell Phone.) But again I really don’t know.

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    1. Even the things Adnan did that seem suspicious, like buying a cell phone, could simply be ill-timed coincidences. Maybe Adnan just bought a cell phone. I’m not sure whether he is guilty or innocent either, but I think that is the issue. There is not enough evidence for a conviction.

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    2. I am confused Blake don’t worry. But I think things will straighten out in the next couple of episodes.

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    3. I definietly agree with you Blake. I’m unsure what to think. In my opinion though, I do think he might be involved in some way. As the episodes go on, do you think it’ll become more clear on who’s guilty and who’s not?

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  17. I believe from the evidence that Sarah has presented that Adnan is innocent. To me, Jays story has to many inconsistencies to be true. There are some major details that he has changed several times. Also the time line the prosecution set up with the calls does not match the actual location. I believe that it might have been jay who liked hae. If he didn’t I think he was atleast someone who helped after wards. With all of the stuff that jay has changed I think he is trying to hide the truth and pin this murder on adnan.

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    1. Agreed! Jay is one shady guy! His story changes and that is enough to make me wish they would have not used his word as evidence. I could understand maybe not remembering something that happened, but to say something happened and then say “Oh wait, this happened instead” etc is very strange.

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    2. I have the same thought as you. The evidence given doesn’t add up to Adnan doing it. I also think it’s kinda weird that Jay would just come out and say what happened. It seems fishy to me.

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  18. I think that they really didn’t have enough evidence to convict Adnan. I think it was really unfortunate that his lawyer didn’t do the research she could have done it really could have helped his case out. One of the main points of evidence that makes me think it was hard to prove his guilt is that there were no fingerprints of his but 13 others were found. The page that they found ripped out of the map book a as the one that had Lincoln Park on it and Adnan’s finger prints weren’t on it. Jay’s whole part in this is also very strange, he just came right out and said he helped with the murder. Maybe he had more to do with it than he is saying.

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    1. I believe that Jay did have a significant role. There is more than he it letting on. It is really too bad that Adnan’s lawyer didn’t follow up on all that she should have. He was left without any real protection.

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    2. I agree with you Breanna. I think the evidence doesn’t add up with Adnan being the killer.

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    3. I do wonder what Jay’s connection to Hae was, if not for Adnan. I don’t think anyone ever mentions that they had a significant relationship outside of the connection to Adnan. Maybe they did though. Adnan and Hae kept their relationship secret. Maybe Hae and Jay did too? It would seem that someone would know though. Secrets always have a way of leaking out.

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  19. I feel that there was not enough evidence and that the story was all messed up and didn’t go together. I’m not saying that adnan is not guilty, I’m just saying that it’s confusing and the stories don’t go together at times. I don’t think that adnan killed her but I do think he knew it was going to happen or that he was involved in some way. I have a weird feeling jay or someone else did it.

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    1. I agree with you. Too much of the evidence was funky and didn’t match up. I’m not sure that we will ever be certain one way or the other. Almost every piece presented could be flipped and applied for both the prosecution and defense.

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      1. I think Jay could have been jealous of Hae and Adnan’s relationship and when Hae left Adnan maybe they were both spiteful and wanted to cause her pain. This is just an idea but maybe they both killed her to get back at her for not liking either of them.

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    2. I completely agree with you Morgan. I’m also confused on what to decide on the situation whether he’s guilty or not but I definetly think he is involved in some way.

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    3. That’s how I feel too. I think there is just so much going on it’s confusing to know who’s actually do what and when. The stories definitely aren’t straight.

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  20. I’m having such a hard time deciding if Adnan is guilty or innocent. I think there is too much evidence going either way that makes it to difficult to tell. If I had to guess, I would say Adnan was involved in Hae’s murder but he wasn’t the one who killed her. All of the counter arguments to the evidence makes him seem innocent but somehow involved.

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    1. I agree on what you said. I just don’t think all the evidence they collected was substantial for the case. All the little facts are good but there really wasn’t THAT ONE hard fact to decide who was guilty or not.

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      1. That’s a good way to put it. This case needs just one HARD FACT that can be proven and not sway either way.

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    2. I agree. I feel like there’s maybe some other person we don’t know about or maybe we do know about that killed her and just aren’t telling her that they did it.

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      1. Exactly. For some reason, I’m starting to think Jay had a bigger part in this crime. Maybe there is a third person involved that only Jay knew. If Jay wanted to save this third person, he could’ve easily left him/her out of his confession.

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    3. Sometimes law enforcement/prosecution becomes so convinced that someone did something that they stop looking at other possibilities. Do you think that it’s possible that’s what happened here? Why/why not?

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  21. I believe that Adnan was wrongly convicted because the stories don’t add up to me. For example when they simulated the day they think Adnan killed Hae. The times didn’t match up of them leaving the school and disposing the body. Anther thing that doesn’t add up is the neighbor girl story of how she said she saw the body in the trunk of the car. They say that she didn’t report it until the case was over and Adnan was is in jail. So just those bits of evidence show flaws in the stories and how they don’t add up. I also believe Jay killed Hae and blamed it on Adnan.

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    1. There are certainly pieces of evidence that are too circumstantial, but there are pieces that match up. While not all of the evidence present does give a clear idea that Adnan did it, some does. I am sure that he was convicted on too little solid evidence, but I fairly sure that he had something to do with it.

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    2. If memory serves me, the neighbor girl said she talked to a neighbor boy who claimed to see the body. Then she said something along the lines that she thought his name was Adnan … That seemed fake to me. Like she didn’t know that Adnan was associated with the murder of a girl whose body was supposedly transported via trunk. I would think that everyone living in that community would know who Adnan was. It’s also a third-hand story … She said, that he said, that he said … so that story doesn’t hold a lot of water for me.

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  22. It doesn’t seem like there is enough evidence to put Adnan in jail. I think that either Jay or that there is a third party. A lot of Adnan’s friends say they can’t see him committing this crime and Adnan seems convincing that he didn’t do it. Adnan gets defensive when he talks and his tone of voice seems convining that he didn’t do it. Adnan sounds like he has moved on from Hae, because he’s dating all these new girls after they broke up and doesn’t sound like it was a hard breakup for him.

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    1. Yes, it seems weird to me that if he moved on and had other girlfriends, why all of the sudden now kill her? I know that Adnan said some really sketchy stuff, but so did Jay, so I just don’t know.

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    2. If you research this case online, you will find that there are people out there who say that they believe that Adnan is a sociopath. If this is true (and I’m not saying it is–I’m just posing it as a theory) he is skilled in manipulation. He can play any role he sees fit in a given situation. What are your thoughts on that possibility?

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    3. I agree, why would he kill Hae when he’s been with other girls and he acts like he was over her? That’s just weird! I think there might be a third party.

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  23. I think that Adnan was wrongly convicted. I do not think they had enough evidence to charge him with murder. I do not know for sure who did it, but I think it might have been jay and I think that they jumped to conclusions.

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    1. I’m not sure that Adnan is totally innocent. On the phone, he seems to have a reason for everything. They could be totally genuine, but he has had fifteen years to stew and build up his story. I’m just not sure. You’re right though. They jumped to conclusions and convicted without real evidence.

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      1. Now that I’ve read through people’s comments, I can understand this side. Maybe he’s just being sweet and nice to appeal to listeners. I don’t know how I feel anymore!

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      1. I am also a little confused with Adnan. He doesn’t seem to be a murderer but he has had so much time to build up an act. It’s hard to determine how a person is without really knowing them before the murder situation.

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  24. I believe, Adnan is definietly somehow tied into the murder of Hae. But I still think more evidence is needed. But I also think somehow Jay is also tied into it too. I think jay is really quiet and sketchy about this case.

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    1. I agree with you that both Jay and Adnan are involved. Adnan seems to act oblivious to the whole situation and Jay has too many holes in his story to be believable.

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  25. I believe that Adnan played a role in the murder of Hae but that he didn’t act alone. I think Jay was a larger part of the murder than he admits, but he is just trying to get out of trouble by admitting to burying Hae. I don’t believe the jury had enough evidence to charge Adnan. Both Jay and Adnan seem to be hiding something more and I think the jury jumped to conclusions on Adnan because they found easy ways to make him seem like the guilty type.

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